The Tension between What Is and What Could Be

This video, titled “Western Civilization Is Already Dead – with Paul Kingsnorth,” features a discussion between Jonathan Pageau and Paul Kingsnorth. Paul Kingsnorth is a writer known for his reflections on environmentalism, culture, and spirituality.​  He’s a fairly new Christian (not Protestant but Orthodox)

In this conversation, they delve into the notion that Western civilization has reached a point of decline or transformation. They explore how ancient myths and narratives can provide insights into contemporary societal challenges, suggesting that these stories may offer guidance on navigating current complexities.​ I find this conversation interesting because Kingsnorth has become something of an agitator to those who want to “save” Western culture (which has deep roots in early Christianity).  Kingsnorth agrees that change indeed is upon us, but is pointing to renewal not as shoring up the institutional structures that are presently decaying but a deep, radical renewal – something akin to the life of the earliest church (self sacrifice, a very tactile experience of the kingdom of God, and intense, caring community).

A notable segment of their discussion draws parallels between the biblical story of the Tower of Babel and modern technological advancements, particularly in artificial intelligence. This analogy emphasizes themes of human ambition, the quest for unity, and the potential consequences of overreaching.  The video is a helpful and sharp contrast between two big-picture ways of framing Christianity’s current dilemmas – how to keep (or return to) the status-quo and radical discipleship to Jesus.  Kingsnorth recognizes his own personal difficulties in conforming to Christ in the modern world, and his honest wrestling with how to follow Christ is refreshing (though many would say that it is idealistic and impractical).

Enjoy….

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